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also pala, in your example, the owner of the Company gains soley because his company's valuation suddenly jumped (as much as doubled you say). Wouldnt the BANKS be wary of this? What if the stock price went back down to normal or "pre-jockeyed" levels? Di ba nila aadjust yung agreement nila?

And the Company owner wouldnt SELL his shares naman (or at least not too much) otherwise mababawasan ownership nya di ba?
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#12
One thing I have notice with these stock ni JAP is that it does not follow traditional technical indicators. It often gives false signal. Pero it always follows sentiment type indicators such as those which greatly involves market psychology. Kaya madali siyang sabayan if alam mo lang kung paano. Don't trade the news or the hypes. Trade what the charts tells you.
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#13
(08-17-2011, 02:13 PM)kyleryner Wrote: So how could Angping maintain his credibility esp if he owns (?) Angping Securities?

Because he keeps people who he needs the most taken care of. For the lot of us we can be one of 2 things: A remora (ride2x lang tayo sa sharks) or lamb (to the slaughter or the "sacrificail" lamb).

If he makes them money, then his street cred is in tact.

Quote:also pala, in your example, the owner of the Company gains soley because his company's valuation suddenly jumped (as much as doubled you say). Wouldnt the BANKS be wary of this? What if the stock price went back down to normal or "pre-jockeyed" levels? Di ba nila aadjust yung agreement nila?

And the Company owner wouldnt SELL his shares naman (or at least not too much) otherwise mababawasan ownership nya di ba?

Sa credit evaluation, di masyado matimbang sa analysis ang sudden jerks sa stock price. Di talaga macontrol yan. What banks (like us) are looking for is cash flow. May tinatawag kami na Project-based lending (yung cash flow ng project ang main source ng repayment) and asset lending (pawnshop style lending). Collaterals like Real Estate/Chatterl Mortgages, assignments, pledges, and other securities including stock, is of secondary consideration sa credit evaluation but important nonetheless.

Basta ang meaning niyan, banks do not care sa stock price mo. hehe Cash is king, collateral is the kings siamese twin brother. A pretty documentation lawyer or counterparty is also a plus. hahaha
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(08-17-2011, 02:16 PM)kyleryner Wrote: also pala, in your example, the owner of the Company gains soley because his company's valuation suddenly jumped (as much as doubled you say). Wouldnt the BANKS be wary of this? What if the stock price went back down to normal or "pre-jockeyed" levels? Di ba nila aadjust yung agreement nila?

And the Company owner wouldnt SELL his shares naman (or at least not too much) otherwise mababawasan ownership nya di ba?

In the example, the company owner is only after the cash he could get for his expansion. He is least concerned with the stock price because he has no plans in selling them. He just needs this to be bloated to get more cash from the lender.

The Bank or the lender is protected because the stocks will just serve as collateral. They have other metrics to consider like cash flow, assets etc. of a company before granting the loan. The Bank is in the business of lending money and the more money they lend, the more profits they reap. You may even go further in saying that the bank is at an advantage as with the bloated stock prices, they could easily hurdle regulations regarding collateral vis-a-vis loans. Also, the bank and the lender needs to agree on the how to get the strike price or the price at which the collateral is computed. This is achieved by averaging the stock price in a period of time say a month. So during this time, the Jockey needs to keep the stock at elevated prices.
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what follows next is of the writers imagination

uncle's empire:

ORE, AGP, GEO, MIC, NI, VLL, SLI, ANI, EG, LIHC, DIZ, FOOD, ACR,

allied brokers:

Angping Sec, Meridian, Sun Sec, Tower, SB Sec, Eastern, COL, MacQ,

network reach:

Gus Cosio Blog, TradersPizza, Absolute Traders, loyal online followers and believers

the opponent:

retail investor with 25k investment account in COL
says he knows fundamental analysis (that's what he says), can look at charts (look lang, hindi analyze)
proud stock forum member, thread guru follower, shy forum poster nga lang

who wins? of course both naman...but the jocks more often

uncle strategy:

unified effort, cascades a constant buy reco on stocks he has already accumulated and bought from ipit investors at a big discount. using forums already under control thru acknowledging gurus (yep, some gurus readily acknowledge their relationship, good for the guru, bad for the image of the forum) and blogsites, and seminars...what is created is an army of willing investors that are more convinced at buying stocks their auntie's haven't even heard of before (ask your auntie if she knows ORE, GEO, NIhao Smile ). With a no-let up broadcasting of astounding target prices on flavor of the Month stocks (right now its ORE, AGP, previously ANI, GEO, EG, FOOD which are just languishing right now to be awoken some time) bombarding the eyes and minds of info hungry trader, this has been the WINNING FORMULA

now for the newbie strategy (after reading above):

buy na nga lang uncle stocks (no choice na Big Grin )




..and then all of a sudden I woke up, it was just a dream I had...sorry guys

...free the forums up uncle pls, understand the word "too much" already, enjoy life, get friends, loyal ones


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#16
Sir Ollie, your answer is very revealing. Extensive pala ang reach ni JAP. I noticed also Andrei from TP and Gus' Blog mirror each other in terms of stock recommendations to their viewing public. So in the end it is the JAP stocks that are the mostly advertised stocks in the online community? Mas popular pa sa mga operational na at matagal na mga companies? I hope one day the SEC finds out about this connections. I think hindi maganda na may JAP na may direct influence sa TP. Kaya pala meron away na dun lagi, may bad chi and may malicious intent and ibang mga tao. Thanks sir for this. I will print this list of JAP stocks and Brokers.

Tama ka din sir Ollie sa nabasa ko, trade the stock and not with the jockey pero ako never ko trade na JAP stocks. Thanks ulit sir.
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#17
@Rico

Too much regulation crimps the market as a whole, me thinks. I think it's each individuals duty to know the ins and outs of his investments. As Andrie would always say " wala akong magawa boss, naniniwala sila eh!".
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#18
bossing Ollie, makikisingit lang. Big Grin

hi sir rico, dont hate Jap stocks as to avoid them completely, coz they could turn out to be an opportunity loss for you. Just follow the price action (i'm currently trying to learn this). If i had let my fear of jap stocks get the better of me (i got burned badly in IP and Ni) - i wouldn't have profited from ORE and just recently Ni. just don't blindly follow jap's disciples as they continuously hype their stocks and the target prices that they also keep on mentioning (which i was guilty of when i was just starting. they promised it would reach that price e. lol!). experience told me that the target prices set by jap's cohorts are just an illusion (Ni = 12, IP = 8/10, etc). i'm still very much a noob in trying to read charts, but hey its a start. and i suggest that you start that as well to get a feel of the market and the price action.

good luck to all of us. winking


edit: commander Ollie, ang TUNA ba e JAP stock din ba?
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#19
I'm a noob as well. I've heard very "interesting" stories about JAP and his Associates. I must admit, I made a few with hyping but had an exit plan. I guess one way or another we have ridden with him in some sorts. Kaya lang kawawa mga super newbies they really fall for it and go all in.

Hindi naman ciguro masama kung sabayan ang agos pero kanya kanyang exit plan lang kailangan.
What goes around comes around.
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(08-17-2011, 02:19 PM)epgarias Wrote: One thing I have notice with these stock ni JAP is that it does not follow traditional technical indicators. It often gives false signal. Pero it always follows sentiment type indicators such as those which greatly involves market psychology. Kaya madali siyang sabayan if alam mo lang kung paano. Don't trade the news or the hypes. Trade what the charts tells you.

Ano naman po yung mga sentiment type indicators na yun?
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